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| The Potara Fusion of Yang and Pyrrha vs Dragon Ball/Z | |
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| Venom 2009 | Dec 2 2016, 09:27 PM Post #1 |
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How far would the Potara Fusion of Yang Xiao Long and Pyrrha Nikos make it in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z? Note: Let’s ignore the BS about the Potara Fusion having a Time Limit from Dragon Ball Super. Bonus Scenario: How would the Potara Fusion of Yang and Pyrrha do against Cinder Fall? The Yang post from the RWBY Respect Thread: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9246943&t=8553463 Pyrrha Nikos Respect Thread: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8565400/1/ Cinder Fall Respect Thread: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8563437/1/ |
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| Seaweed | Dec 24 2016, 08:15 PM Post #16 |
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Firstly, I'm not quite sure Zeno only has destructive power and not some kind of reality warping. Secondly, Vegetto in Super seems relatively weaker (compared to Goku and Vegeta) than Vegetto in Z, since Kaioken 2 SSJB Goku managed to hurt Zamasu with a Kamehameha while SSJB Vegetto couldn't finish him off. Thirdly, there's only 12 universes, so even if Vegetto and Zeno theoretically could destroy a gazillion universes, it's not like it'd be possible to show that. Fourthly, we're discussing the fighting prowess of the potara fusion of Yang and Pyrrha, not it's destructive capabilities.
Buu not destroying a planet and not being implied to destroy anything above a star system doesn't actually mean anything, because the next thing above a star system is a galaxy, which is a lot bigger. Even assuming Buu's destructive capabilties are tens of thousands higher than Cell's (I really doubt Boo is THAT much stronger) and assuming Cell could indeed blow up the solar system (which I do believe he could), all Boo would be able to do is blow up a solar system with and make a bigger explosion. |
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| Tinny | Dec 24 2016, 08:36 PM Post #17 |
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That's possibly fine, but you should also keep in mind Roshi blowing up a moon (depending on how you view the moon, far as I can tell the main assumption is that the moon is as big as ours, not one I agree with but whatever for now), to Piccolo blowing up mountains, to Nappa blowing up a city (albiet casually so that's not all his power, but iirc it was certainly enough that Piccolo was worried), to Vegeta blowing up the planet all of a sudden, to Freeza.... Blowing up the planet with a finger to Final Form Freeza... Blowing up the planet? To Cell all of a sudden being stated to be able to blow up the sun. For how silly that last one is, let's take first form Freeza's pl 530,000. Super Perfect Cell's pl is around 90,000,000,000 or so right? So that's Cell being around 169,811 times stronger than Freeza. Which sounds nice and big. You can fit 1.3 million earths into our sun, which I assume referred to terrestrial planets and didn't take inhabitable gas giants that no one would live on into account. Power levels do not scale well in such a way that you could calculate this things. And for the more relevant question, none of this even applies all that well since we're apparently trying to calculate what a Pyang Xikos would have in terms of power. Meaning we need to see how strong, fast, and durable that potara makes her, none of which scale directly from pl in any meaningful way. Power level does not directly correlate to what they can do objectively, it's usually used to compare Character A to character B (which was what it Toriyama designed it for really). I mean, how would you even begin to scale what these characters do? Put them in a versus and whoever they tie with, you use their power level as a base and apply potara? Except you ahve to keep in mind that the blasts of a dbz character often has disproportionally more destructive potential then their punches (Hell I still can't remember the last time any Z fighters in DBZ threatened the Earth with their punches and kicks, even after Freeza and even Cell, maybe something happened in the anime but that opens up a whole new can of worms). Do you then take away blasts for the purposes of this? And even after all that, we still need to find a way to scale power level to speed, strength, and durability beyond being more powerful than the one weaker than you, since it's unlikely that a rwby fighter matches 1:1 with what a dbz fighter usually has as their strength: speed: durability ratio. And trying to do that is as far as I can tell, impossible. There's just no way to get a YangxPyrrha potara fusion right, you may as well apply super saiyan or the elder Kai's potential unlock to them for all the practical use we have on them. All transformations in DBZ run on the power level system (with the exception of maybe kaioken), something RWBY completely lacks in comparison. Edited by Tinny, Dec 24 2016, 08:37 PM.
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| Seaweed | Dec 24 2016, 09:42 PM Post #18 |
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We're not trying to find out how objectively strong the potara fusion is and how much it can bench press, we're trying to find out how strong it is compared to Cinder, and the answer to that should be (well, in my opinion, at least) hilariously more powerful. I'm also not entirely sure by what you mean that "power level does not directly correlate to what they can do objectively". Are you saying that power levels, as in the number recorded by a scouter, isn't proportional with how strong a character is (in which case I'd agree) or are you saying that how strong a Dragon Ball character is compared to another Dragon Ball character (determined by how well said character does in a fight and not by a number) has no relation to how objectively strong the character is? I do agree that determining how precisely strong a potara fusion is would be problematic, especially when there's a large gap between the fusees and the potara fusion's opponent, and to a lesser extent when comparing characters from different franchises, but I don't think it's that hard to do when we're comparing characters within the same verse. Edited by Seaweed, Dec 24 2016, 09:50 PM.
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| + miguelnuva | Dec 24 2016, 10:20 PM Post #19 |
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If you use feats you can estimate a pl for the rwby characters for a fight against DB even if its not a true Pl. As for what I was saying, Pyrrha on her own was giving fall maiden Cinder a work out so considering what potara has done in dbz it would handle cinder. |
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| Tinny | Dec 24 2016, 10:39 PM Post #20 |
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Yeah I assume they can probably take Cinder if we could somehow apply pls to it. Just finding out the how in particular is nearly impossible, and is basically an assumption that comes just the way RWBY handles fighting in general compared to DBZ (People rarely outright tank a punch in the face with a smile, and even the gorilla grimm wasn't that far above Ruby, I mean she did beat it 1v1. But for now I do assume they could probably beat, even dominate Cinder. When I said objectively, I meant in terms of "what can they do in the real world" how much can they destroy, how much can they lift, how fast can they run, as opposed to say I guess "relative strength" which would be he faster than this guy, he is stronger than this guy, that kind of thing. I should have specified more. My apologies. It's basically, can Guy A bench press a boulder vs is Guy A stronger than Guy B. The latter's perfectly fine in universe, but the former is the only useful one in other versus, all the latter can do is inform you to the former (18>Freeza so 18 can blow up a planet, but 18>Freeza means nothing on it's own without Freeza outright blowing up a planet before). The same universe absolutely, but this thread also pits the two huntresses right back against dbz, which means you have to fuse two rwby characters using a for the most part dbz only method (otherwise we just get them being an unquantified amount stronger which is useless outside of saying they probably beat Cinder), and then put them back against dbz characters. It's just a mess and all you can really do is guesstimate a power level for them. May as well put current Whis against current Vados for all the useful information we have. Edited by Tinny, Dec 24 2016, 10:39 PM.
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